[afnog] UCEPROTECT-Network Level 3, who takes the blame?

[John Walubengo]

Odour,

I hate to dissapoint you but I did have a problem about
9mths ago with your packets.  The reports from the
MailScanner on our mailserver at kcct.ac.ke kept showing
that there was a lot of spamming coming from  your end.  I
ofcourse imagined that our mail server could be the problem
and we tried to ensure that kcct.ac.ke was not acting as an
open relay.

Even after hardening our mailserver, the MailScanner kept
showing huge amounts of spam from the AccessKenya network. 
I emailed the then admin to sort it out and (s)he promised
to look into it but after a week of no change I technically
dropped communication from my server to your server (both
ways recieve and send).  This was necessary because the
Admin at AccessKenya indicated that the problem was NOT
ACCESSKENYA but from their SUBSCRIBERS whose machines were
hosting maleware, robots and whatnots...

Which now begs the question who should take the
responsibility of cleaning up downstream hosts coming into
your network? it looks like UCEPROTECT opted to do exactly
what i did - it may not be right, but it does provide a
quick relief of sorts, with casualties ofcourse.

walu.



 
--- "S. Oduor" <soduor at accesskenya.com> wrote:

> > there is no net police agency, sorry.  and afrinic is
> not the police
> >agency which does not exist.
> 
> I dont mean to put afrinic on Internet Police level, but
> I think they are
> better placed than me since I dont own the whole netblock
> of
> 196.207.0.0/16, there lots of folks with smaller subnets
> on this netblock
> suffering Probably  some of them are on this list, having
> one
> representation from a bigger entity like afrinic  will as
> a matter of fact
> get things moving & we will be focused on other errands
> trying to make the
> internet efficient.
> 
> Besides I think this is a good forum to brain storm on
> best ways to combat
> this kind Crime Perpetrated by  UCEPROTECT & many other
> RBL's that deflect
> genuine emails not spams, to me this is no big difference
> from hacking or
> abuse of high level resulting to loss, I already got lots
> of rejected
> mails from my customers affecting their businesses you
> might never really
> know the extent of the damage its impacts are far
> reaching when a legit
> email bounces  . One day someone will really think of
> what he has done or
> not done to ensure he is protected by a net police agency
> ? the wisdom &
> influence to get one operational now is really you
> choice.
> 
> 
> 
> > contact the folk at whoever is being what you think is
> mean to your
> >packets.  nothing else will help you no matter how
> loudly you scream; in
> >fact, screaming reduces one's credibility in the long
> term.
> 
> Before screaming I normally prefer mature ways of sorting
> out a main
> problem and this really does help  many at times. If you
> literally happen
> to step on my toe I would  tell you to step off  while
> holding back my
> breath and if it jst happens that I scream am either
> about to give up or
> do something that will ensure I am free from the pain
> (human nature), I
> will try not to scream cauze some good folks are already
> assisting me &
> hope someone who is silently suffering will take up his
> responsibility. I
> hope their provider was here to drop their AS to ensure
> that RBL is not
> reachable.
> 
> UCEPROTECT is demanding 250 Euro payment which I maintain
> grounds is
> stealing either knowingly or unknowingly.
> 
> Their is an Auto whitelist of 7 Days that we can bet is
> not going to
> happen on a block of /16 thats on level 3 owned by
> different
> Organisations, I have been trying to sort this for months
> now and through
> my search I subscribed to AFNOG cauze I trust it has
> experienced chaps who
> have been sorting out internet related problems for ages
> than brushing
> them off in a clever way.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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