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Re: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet exchange
Fibre currently Not possible for majority of us. The best bet currently is
Free Space Laser !
Regards
Volven
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From: "Mark Tinka" <mtinka at africaonline.co.ug>
To: "'Volven D'souza'" <volven_res at cats-net.com>; "'Brian Longwe'"
<brian at pch.net>
Cc: <michuki at swiftkenya.com>; "'Brian Candler'" <B.Candler at pobox.com>;
<antonio at nambu.uem.mz>; "'Bill Woodcock'" <woody at pch.net>; "'John Tully'"
<tully at mikrotik.com>; <afnog at afnog.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet exchange
It's too bad the telco over there offers a less superior service than
wireless. Any chance of having private fibre trunks to your IXP, if it's
close enough?
Regards,
Mark Tinka - CCNA
Network Engineer
Africa Online Uganda
5th Floor, Commercial Plaza
7 Kampala Rd,
Tel: +256-41-258143
Fax: +256-41-258144
E-mail: mtinka at africaonline.co.ug
Web: www.africaonline.co.ug
-----Original Message-----
From: Volven D'souza [mailto:volven_res at cats-net.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:44 PM
To: mtinka at africaonline.co.ug; 'Brian Longwe'
Cc: michuki at swiftkenya.com; 'Brian Candler'; antonio at nambu.uem.mz; 'Bill
Woodcock'; 'John Tully'; afnog at afnog.org
Subject: Re: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet exchange
Hello All,
I have been keenly following this thread and felt my duty to respond,
specially because it directly relates to our (Tanzania)move towards the IXP.
In TZ the prices hover around 5K to 5.5K per Mb for the sattelite B/w ! We
alone ( Cats-Net) are spending approx $55K per month on our Bandwidth Costs
! Assuming that we have 20% of local traffic traversing over this link, the
IX will offload this traffic and hence allow us an extra 20% either for
resell or improvement on QOS !
The Loop which most ISP's here would use be 2.4Ghz / 5.8Ghz or Free Space
Laser. This means the connectivity would not be via leased lines / copper
and hence no rentals/ poor links, etc. The ROI on the Initial cost of the
Hardware can be re-couped in a couple of Months. We are looking at a
recurring cost towards IX's functioning, but that cost would be negligible
compared to the Current Costs borne by us to exchange local traffic.
We are thankfull to guys like Brian Longwe who go out of thier way to share
thier knowledge to the Fellow Africans. Sorry Brian for the loss of your
laptop, Its shame for us that it happened in TZ.
Regards
Volven D'souza
Cats-Net Limited
Http://www.cats-net.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Tinka" <mtinka at africaonline.co.ug>
To: "'Brian Longwe'" <brian at pch.net>
Cc: <michuki at swiftkenya.com>; "'Brian Candler'" <B.Candler at pobox.com>;
<antonio at nambu.uem.mz>; "'Bill Woodcock'" <woody at pch.net>; "'John Tully'"
<tully at mikrotik.com>; <afnog at afnog.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet exchange
I agree. There is a lot of money being spent on international bandwidth,
astronomical figures. Only co-operation amongst providers to use this money
else where, like invest in a local enterpreneur to build local bandwidth
[fibre] is synonymous to Kenya's move to integrate satellite services for
most ISPs into a single antenna.
The average ISP in Uganda pays between $10,000 to $12,000 a month for a mere
1.5Mbps satellite circuit. Depending on your satellite provider, it could be
more or less. But imagine what the total number of ISPs in East Africa alone
could do with all this money.
Regards,
Mark Tinka - CCNA
Network Engineer
Africa Online Uganda
5th Floor, Commercial Plaza
7 Kampala Rd,
Tel: +256-41-258143
Fax: +256-41-258144
E-mail: mtinka at africaonline.co.ug
Web: www.africaonline.co.ug
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Longwe [mailto:brian at pch.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:44 PM
To: Mark Tinka
Cc: michuki at swiftkenya.com; 'Brian Candler'; antonio at nambu.uem.mz; 'Bill
Woodcock'; 'John Tully'; afnog at afnog.org
Subject: RE: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet exchange
Us Africans should be very careful about inviting wolves into our
sheepsteads. Some of these International operators are real sharks and will
skin us inside-out before we can say "ngwe!" ;-) - a Kenyanism...
At the end of the day what it boils down to is capital - sheer $$$
It would surprise most of us here to know that the same (or equal) capital
that these guys use for projects in places like Africa are available to us
as Africans. As long as we are well organised and accountable enough <and
there's even help available in this area>.
So we should be thinking about how we can help ourselves before we go and
bring in the Big Bad wolf to eat us and our children.
Longwe
On Wed, 14 May 2003, Mark Tinka wrote:
> I guess the landlocked countries will need internal assistance,
> perhaps from telcos or private organisations willing to invest in
> fibre services.
>
> I understand TZ has a new cable service up and coming, using fibre. In
> UG, MTN and some other private companies are building fibre networks.
> What's left is for the border countries and the landlocked countries
> to inter-connect.
>
> If you're lucky enough, you could convince Level3 to come in, but I
> doubt that :-). Basically, some local responsibility for landlocked
> countries will need to be taken into account.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Tinka - CCNA
> Network Engineer
> Africa Online Uganda
> 5th Floor, Commercial Plaza
> 7 Kampala Rd,
> Tel: +256-41-258143
> Fax: +256-41-258144
> E-mail: mtinka at africaonline.co.ug
> Web: www.africaonline.co.ug
>
>
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> From: owner-afnog at afnog.org [mailto:owner-afnog at afnog.org] On Behalf
> Of Michuki Mwangi
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: mtinka at africaonline.co.ug
> Cc: 'Brian Candler'; antonio at nambu.uem.mz; 'Bill Woodcock'; 'John
> Tully'; afnog at afnog.org
> Subject: RE: Tanzanian ISPs move closer to establishing an Internet
> exchange
>
>
> On Wed, 2003-05-14 at 12:19, Mark Tinka wrote:
> > However, honestly, you won't be able to get that level of trust
> > among various ISPs, unless it's a government ruling. I guess the
> > only way ISPs will be able to share a single transport service is
> > when trans-oceanic fibre makes its way into the country. Only then,
> > do I see ISPs scrambling for a piece of the pie.
> >
>
> True, but how do we also help the landlocked countries ..?.
>
> >From the statistics provided by IDRC on the Internet connectivity in
> >Africa
> www.idrc.ca/acacia. There is fibre on the Western, Southern and
> Nothern Africa. But very little sharing of that Fibre with their
> landlocked neighbours.
>
>
>
> Michuki.
>
>
>
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