Re: 0:190 ORG

["Jim Fleming" <jfleming at anet.com>]

Many .ORG owners may not have access to the DNS and their TXT records.
That may of course indicate that they are not really the owners. In other words,
their Registrar or hosting company may vote for them, sort of like a proxy.
Also, it seems that the IPv4 Internet is now run by lawyers and they seem to
think that "whois" is the DNS. TXT Records may be beyond their mental limits.

Looking at the bigger picture, keep in mind that .ORG is currently in the early
stages of "toy" 32-bit DNS Proof-of-Concept testing. Unlike other more serious
TLDs, .ORG does not yet have redundant Registries to ensure more reliable
service in case one company fails (or their executives prove to be crooks).

As an example, look at .INFO, there are two 32-bit Proof-of -Concept Registries.
http://root-dns.org/vuedig/vuedig_tld.php?record=NS&tld=info&submit=Submit

A. http://www.name-space.com
B. some ICANN consortium which changes all the time...

One could view "voting" as the selection of the customer of the Registry similar to
the way they select a Registrar. In order to resolve properly, the SLD owner has
to be registered with both of the Registries. That might appear as "voting" for both
of the choices, which is a limitation of the toy 32-bit technology. As we migrate to
the new 128-bit DNS technology, many things change. The Registry can be distributed
but voting can still be done, by deciding where the money should be paid. That will
allow many companies to participate in "forming the Registry" but the company the
people most want will get the most money. In the end, two or three companies will
likely be selected via economics, ensuring the Registry will continue to operate.
Using the example of .INFO, a third company will likely provide the 128-bit DNS
services and the two 32-bit companies can also remain and be paid. That is like a
three-legged stool, which is strong and harder to collapse.

.ORG is a long way from being a serious TLD...it is still being run as a 1980s operation...

Jim Fleming
http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard J. Sexton Ph.D. J.D." <richard at vrx.net>
To: "Jim Fleming" <jfleming at anet.com>
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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: 0:190 ORG


>
> Jim;
> I thought we'd be using txt records to vote. This mean only .org owners
> with a clue get to vote which was the sort of elitism the cabal wanted?
>
>
> Ie:
>
> richard at ns1.vrx.net Fri Jul 19 13:01:15 ~
> % dig mbz.org. txt  at ns1
>
> ; <<>> DiG 8.1 <<>> mbz.org. txt  at ns1
> ; (2 servers found)
> ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> ;; got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10
> ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 5
> ;; QUERY SECTION:
> ;;      mbz.org, type = TXT, class = IN
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> mbz.org.                2D IN TXT       "I vote for xxx to run .org"
>
> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
> mbz.org.                2D IN NS        ns1.vrx.net.
> mbz.org.                2D IN NS        UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM.
>
> ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
> ns1.vrx.net.            2D IN A         216.13.126.22
> ns1.vrx.net.            2D IN A         199.166.24.1
> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM.   2D IN A         16.1.0.18
> UUCP-GW-1.PA.DEC.COM.   2D IN A         204.123.2.18
>
> ;; Total query time: 2 msec
> ;; FROM: ns1.vrx.net to SERVER: ns1  216.13.126.22
> ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 19 13:01:32 2002
> ;; MSG SIZE  sent: 25  rcvd: 229
>
> Although bind returns more info that you really need. Better would
> be DJBDNS machines that only return the requested data, not all
> the excsess and often incorrect glue.
>
> Ie:
>
> richard at ns1.vrx.net Fri Jul 19 13:05:44 ~
> % dig mbz.org. txt  at localhost
>
> ; <<>> DiG 8.1 <<>> mbz.org. txt  at localhost
> ; (1 server found)
> ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
> ;; got answer:
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
> ;; QUERY SECTION:
> ;;      mbz.org, type = TXT, class = IN
>
> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
> mbz.org.                1d23h57m27s IN TXT  "I vote for xxx to run .org"
>
> ;; Total query time: 0 msec
> ;; FROM: ns1.vrx.net to SERVER: localhost  127.0.0.1
> ;; WHEN: Fri Jul 19 13:05:45 2002
> ;; MSG SIZE  sent: 25  rcvd: 64
>
> richard at ns1.vrx.net Fri Jul 19 13:05:45 ~
> %
>
>
> As you can see, it's really easy to have BIND running on one address to
> do the things you need bind to do, but to have DJBDNS running on 127.0.0.1
> to do "real" nameservice. There's less data coming back too so that would
> make widespread data gathering go more quickly.
>
> At 11:36 AM 7/19/02 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote:
> >http://www.icann-ncc.org/pipermail/discuss/2002-July/002656.html
> >Harold J. Feld hfeld at mediaaccess.org
> >
> >"At this point, I have not received any volunteers from the Africa region
> >or the South/Central America region to serve on the .org evaluation team."
> >=====
> >
> >What are you evaluating ?...are you funded by the $35,000 application fees ?
> >
> >Have you sent e-mails to the 3+ million .ORG owners to have them vote on
> >who they want to run their 128-bit DNS Registry ?...if not, why not ?
> >
> >Are you also evaluating .ORGY ?
> >Will you be registering....http://www.MediaAccess.ORGY ?
> >http://www.NameSlinger.com
> >
> >
> >Jim Fleming
> >http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> >http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> >
> >
> >
>
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