[afnog] Fw: Re: UCEPROTECT-Network Level 3, who takes the blame?

[Antonio Godinho]

These guys are doing something similar but without the option to pay or even 
contact anyone!

http://www.apews.org

APEWS is also a blacklist but does not allow you to contact them!

They have also blocked a whole 196.3.0.0/16! My network is just a /21 inside 
that.

Cheers,

AG

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:38:48 +0300, Badru Ntege wrote
> > The problem I see here, specifically, is that UCEPROTECT isn't blocking
> > just the provider with the spamming customers, they're blocking the
> > entire
> > /16, which contains a lot of _entirely unrelated_ ISPs, in completely
> > different countries, with no relationship whatsoever with anybody who's
> > having a spam problem, and no special leverage to get them to fix it,
> > even
> > if they did know who it was.  This is like pulling a random hostage off
> > the street, and telling them to stop crime.  It doesn't help the crime
> > problem, and it causes a problem of its own.
> 
> [Badru Ntege]
> 
> Me suspects there's a money making scheme here.  A network with a 
> /24 could survive 7 days of blacklisting but a upstream provider 
> owning a /16  with several paying customers will have no choice but 
> to pay cash to be immediately de-listed.
> 
> >From a commercial perspective it works but ethically it stinks.  If this 
is
> a sign of things to come one needs to be very worried.
> 
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong which I hope I am.
> 
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