> drwx------ 3 nobody mail 512 May 26 10:05 deanrobert > drwxrwxrwx 3 nobody mail 512 May 25 10:30 deanrobert if this is unix, then the only times i have ever seen something which looks like this is when one of the filenames has special chars in it that you can't see with ls. go into emacs and C-X C-F the dir randy